tag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:/discussions/problems/91269-quotes-and-apostrophesMarked: Discussion 2016-08-11T03:16:11Ztag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-14T10:04:41Z2014-12-14T10:04:41Zquotes and apostrophes<div><p>Do you have Smat typography enabled in Marked prefs?</p>
<p>This is my iPhone. There are many like it, but this one is
mine.</p></div>Bretttag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-15T00:07:23Z2014-12-15T00:07:23Zquotes and apostrophes<div><p>Hi,<br>
No, I don’t have small typography, but a new update to Text
Wrangler just came out - installed and checked: Marked2 (still)
does not do anything with apostrophes and with quotes only does
“"”. BUT now (in Text Wrangle) Markdown and Smartypants
both work as before as text filters.</p>
<p>This is in Mavericks. Haven’t checked Yosemite yet.</p>
<p>Thanks for the reply.</p>
<p><a href=
"http://fromoutoftheblue.com/articles/discovering-nvalt.html">http://fromoutoftheblue.com/articles/discovering-nvalt.html</a></p>
<p>Peter</p></div>Peter Dtag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-15T03:41:20Z2014-12-15T03:41:20Zquotes and apostrophes<div><p>Sorry, "Smart typography." It's the option under Style
preferences<br>
called "Enable typographically correct quotes and punctuation."</p></div>Bretttag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-15T09:17:24Z2014-12-15T09:17:24Zquotes and apostrophes<div><p>Oh, yes, I have that checked. It says "Generate..." I did check
that before.</p>
<p>aside - I had to re-select Services in System Preferences for
them (what I had before) to show up again in Text Wrangler.</p></div>Peter Dtag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-15T14:39:21Z2014-12-15T14:39:21Zquotes and apostrophes<div><p>Assuming you're using MultiMarkdown as the processor (and no
custom<br>
processor), there's no reason I can think of that
typographically<br>
correct quotes wouldn't be generated. The only possibility I can
think<br>
of is that the preferences are corrupt. If that's the case, you
should<br>
be able to fix it by quitting Marked 2, deleting the folder at<br>
~/Library/Containers/com.brettterpstra.marked2, rebooting, and
starting Marked 2 back up.</p></div>Bretttag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-17T12:35:16Z2014-12-17T12:35:17Zquotes and apostrophes<div><p>Did that. No difference.</p>
<p>OS related, I'm guessing. Worked fine in 10.9.4</p>
<p>Sorry.</p></div>Peter Dtag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-17T13:28:49Z2014-12-17T13:28:49Zquotes and apostrophes<div><p>It really, really shouldn't be related to the OS. One other
thing you<br>
could try would be installing the multimarkdown command line
utility and<br>
using it as your custom processor. Do you know how to do that?</p></div>Bretttag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-17T20:11:03Z2014-12-17T20:11:03Zquotes and apostrophes<div><p>Remember, Marked2 worked perfectly ^before* and before in this
case means when I first downloaded it from the MAS. I cannot say
exactly when it stopped working perfectly, the closest I can tell
is after updating to 10.9.5.</p>
<p>Both text filters work in TW and your multimarkdown service in
TW works. The only thing that is not working as it should for
quotes and apostrophes is Marked2 v.2.4.7 in Mavericks 10.9.5.</p>
<p>I don't have any custom processor installed. I'm curious though.
Why would I need that?</p></div>Peter Dtag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-17T21:36:59Z2014-12-17T21:36:59Zquotes and apostrophes<div><p>I tested all the cases I could think of on both 10.9 and 10.10
and have not been able to make it fail to render the smart
typography. I'm honestly at a loss.</p>
<p>Installing the multimarkdown binary and putting the path to it
in the custom processor field would cause Marked to bypass its
internal MultiMarkdown library and use the one you installed. None
of the preferences would affect it, so your output would be purely
what MMD does by default. It would be a good way to test and see if
something is failing in the built-in MMD processor and narrow down
the variables.</p>
<p>If you don't have the command line version of multimarkdown, you
can get an installer package here: <a href=
"http://fletcherpenney.net/multimarkdown/install/">http://fletcherpenney.net/multimarkdown/install/</a></p>
<p>Then go to Advanced preferences and set it up like this:</p>
<p><img alt="" src="http://ckyp.us/8JR1+"></p>
<p>You can click the "Update Permissions" button just to ensure
that Marked has access to the processor.</p>
<p>If you get a chance to try this, please let me know if it works
as it will help me narrow down the possible sources of this
issue.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br>
Brett</p></div>Bretttag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-17T22:32:41Z2014-12-17T22:32:42Zquotes and apostrophes<div><p>Ok, I'll try this. I'm sure I looked at MMD before and maybe
even downloaded it before, but never did anything with it. You
could say I'm a <em>lite</em> user of Markdown - I like that it
adds paragraph tags, and ok italics/bold too, otherwise I hand code
everything else (css classes, you know).</p>
<p>I posted this originally as fyi for you. I can deal with the TW
filters, services, etc. The nice thing about Marked2 was that it
did everything in one step.</p></div>Peter Dtag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-17T23:01:52Z2014-12-17T23:01:52Zquotes and apostrophes<div><p>Yep, and I'd really like to keep it doing everything in one
step, so I'd<br>
love to figure this out. Keep me posted!</p></div>Bretttag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-18T15:04:00Z2014-12-18T15:04:00Zquotes and apostrophes<div><p>(did I say before that Marked2 worked in the Yosemite Mac?
Mistake. It works the same as in Mavericks. So you were right, it's
not an OS dependent bug.)</p>
<p>Ok, downloaded MMD, sent it over to the Yosemite Mac, installed,
did the thing with Marked2. That sent a hard kick to the beach ball
which kept it in infinite spin, which was terminated by Force Quit
[Marked2 (not responding)]. Then I deleted the MMD install and all
the Marked2 "preferences" again. End of experiment.</p>
<p>Where did Smarty Pants come from? When I said I had 2 Macs, I
meant 2 modern Macs. I'm pretty sure found it digging around the
innards of a previous Mac. Installing MMD and today's date reminded
me of something: a markdown file you can download and send to
Daniel Jalkut. I sent the link to John Gruber once, but he didn't
respond. Daniel might get a chuckle from it.</p>
<p>I'll leave it for a couple of days after which I'll remove the
file from dropbox.<br>
<a href="https://db.tt/6Ebpha9h">https://db.tt/6Ebpha9h</a></p>
<p>Looking forward to Marked2 2.4.8. Hopefully you'll have it
figured out by the time it reached MAS. Are you sure you want to
keep all those png files in there? What would happen if I "locked"
that folder, a customization, if you will?<br>
,</p></div>Peter Dtag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-18T15:17:45Z2014-12-18T15:17:45Zquotes and apostrophes<div><blockquote>
<p>(did I say before that Marked2 worked in the Yosemite Mac?
Mistake. It works the same as in Mavericks. So you were right, it's
not an OS dependent bug.)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>So you don't get smart typography on either OS? And you have the
same issue on two different machines?</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Ok, downloaded MMD, sent it over to the Yosemite Mac, installed,
did the thing with Marked2. That sent a hard kick to the beach ball
which kept it in infinite spin, which was terminated by Force Quit
[Marked2 (not responding)]. Then I deleted the MMD install and all
the Marked2 "preferences" again. End of experiment.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Did you click the "Update Permissions" button? Those hangs are
usually the system trying to request access to a folder that isn't
technically being opened (it's in a background process). The Update
Permissions button basically allows you to grant permanent access
to your entire drive and avoid headaches. It's possible that there
was an error in your processor setup, though, and Marked isn't
currently capable of checking every possible issue with everyone's
custom scripts. I'm working on that, and happy to take a look at
your settings if you want to send me a screenshot.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Where did Smarty Pants come from?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>You mean who wrote it? That was <a href=
"http://daringfireball.net/projects/smartypants/">John Gruber as
well</a>. It's been improved and ported a few times, but 99% of the
credit is all his. As far as the implementation in Marked 2, it's
built in to the MMD library. Marked just passes switches from
preferences when a user requests to have it disabled, but it
defaults to always on.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Daniel might get a chuckle from it.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Thanks, I'll pass it on :).</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Looking forward to Marked2 2.4.8. Hopefully you'll have it
figured out by the time it reached MAS. Are you sure you want to
keep all those png files in there? What would happen if I "locked"
that folder, a customization, if you will?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>2.4.8 hit the MAS a couple of days ago. There are some CSS
issues popping up after some major changes I made, but you're still
the only person who's ever reported issues with the smart
typography. Might be a good number of people who just don't notice
it or realize it should be there, though...</p>
<p>Are you referring to the PNG files in the resources folder? I
need to do a cleanup on that, but I'm not sure what you mean by
locking the folder?</p></div>Bretttag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-19T21:47:54Z2014-12-19T21:47:54Zquotes and apostrophes<div><p>Yes, Marked 2 2.4.7 works the same on both machines. I think
that you are right that other users might not have noticed an issue
with quotes and apostrophes. Marked 2 does other aspects of the
conversion to html fine. I noticed it because at some point, this
is a while back, I wanted to have proper quotes coded into my work.
I used to hand code " a long time ago, thinking that straight
quotes were more browser safe, and seeing so many punctuation
aberrations on the internet back then and still today (from the
other kind of computers presumably). So I look at these things.
Handcoding proper left and right quotes was a bit tedious, so
discovering Smarty Pants was sweet.</p>
<p>Yes, I clicked the Update Permissions button. Was that not
necessary? I let it spin for a long time before force quitting. MMD
was installed with the standard installer and it was where it was
supposed to be, same as you indicated in the screenshot you
sent.</p>
<p>I see the update in the MAS now. I turned off automatic update
notices - Mavericks is just comfortable on the Air. And the
Yosemite Mac mini doesn't get online unless I pick it up and bring
it somewhere, leash it to the Air, and use Screen Sharing. I know
Marked is probably a small file size update so I'll do it with that
machine soon (I usually wait until there's something big I need to
download on it). I'll test again for a settings screenshot for you
with 2.4.7. The Yosemite Mac isn't used for writing, so I don't
mind testing Marked there.</p>
<p>Locking a folder for this kind of thing is something I
discovered on my older Mac. I used to get online in bursts. Safari
crashed a lot, memory was limited, and hard drive space would fill
up fast in those burst periods. I found that Safari made 2
screenshots for every web page I went to, one was a small jpg, the
other was a 1mb png. I learned to empty that folder and lock it,
preventing any more of that nonsense. Safari was much faster and
didn't crash as much. I do it now as a matter of course (that and
couple of other folders too). I believe that these saved images are
a throw back from an early period in the 21st century (for
computers) and iPhone One days. Computers weren't fast enough,
though they would be eventually, the images were there to fake
speed. Remember Steve Jobs at the introduction of the first iPhone
when he held it up and said, "Oh there it is" - this was when a
still image showed up on the screen while an app loaded in the
background.</p>
<p>In formatting this new article, I first ran SmartyPants, then
Marked 2 - that worked.<br>
<a href=
"http://fromoutoftheblue.com/articles/winter-solstice-babettes-feast.html">
http://fromoutoftheblue.com/articles/winter-solstice-babettes-feast...</a></p></div>Peter Dtag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-21T21:39:26Z2014-12-21T21:39:27Zquotes and apostrophes<div><p>Brett,</p>
<p>I am happy to be able to tell you that Marked 2 2.4.8 works
perfectly On Both computers.</p>
<p>Merry What Have You Holidays</p></div>Peter Dtag:support.markedapp.com,2011-09-11:Comment/355391932014-12-21T22:31:28Z2014-12-21T22:31:28Zquotes and apostrophes<div><p>Great!</p>
<p>This is my iPhone. There are many like it, but this one is
mine.</p></div>Brett